Can a summoning, calling, etc . spell snag a Petitioner...?

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Can a summoning, calling, etc . spell snag a Petitioner...?

Just curious. Can spells that bring creatures from another plane to the Prime bring a Petitioner? All sorts of other planar natives are vulnerable to being pulled from the Inner or Outer planes and brought to the Prime (or some other plane), so should Petitioners also be summonable? If not, why?

(I got thinking along these lines when I saw that the new DMG mentioned Dwarves with the Celestial type, and thought they would be a nice addition to the few Celestials available for summoning in 5e. Then I realized that they were probably meant to be Petitioners... hence the question.)

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I don't know.

I don't know.

Being a deity's petitioner in their divine realm might protect somebody from summoning, while the other petitioners might be more vulnerable. Carcerian petitioners might just be impossible to summon no matter what.

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The nature of the hows, whats

The nature of the hows, whats and whys of those that get picked by summoning spells always struck me as an aspect of PS that never felt like it got the full attention it deserved.

Most canon summoning spells avoid summoning humanoid types, so your sort of question would mostly be sidestepped. It seems like petitioners would belong to a different group than those being summoned.

I could go either way on it, though it would be interesting though if there was group of summoning-type spells that focused in on bringing back petitioners, and not just in a Speak With Dead sort of capacity. Imagine being able to summon a tribe of your ancestors to fight a battle on your behalf. Petitioners from Ysgard would make for some formidable opponents. And since summoned creatures merely return to whence they came, it wouldn't be such a big deal if they were to die in battle. Likewise with Acheronian petitioners...

Actually that sounds really cool. I think I may make that sort of summoning into an actual thing in my 5e game!

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What does it take for a

What does it take for a summoned creature to stay around long-term?

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Well, got my DMG, and the

Well, got my DMG, and the Elves and Dwarves with the Celestial type are apparently living Planars, not Petitioners (i.e. dead folk). Assuming they aren't actually inside a deity's realm, they should be summonable just fine. The only deceased former mortals mentioned were the Larvae, who got a stat block.

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What it takes for a summoning to stick around:

It has to be called or gated. My understanding of the metaphysics, which may be purely fanon, is that a "summoned" creature is a sort of projection or alternate version -- hence why they're willing to fight to the death, and it's not morally suspect to do so, and why their own summoning abilities don't work. The SRD says "killed" summonings have merely dispersed and take 24 hours to reform; this suggests that what was actually called was some kind of spirit, regardless of the form taken, but that's speculation.

A called creature, however, arrives via teleportation, and is actually there, hence why such spells usually require negotiation and often compensation.

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Yeah, planars are summonable,

Yeah, planars are summonable, which I always thought was awesome. Never had anything done with it, though.

Here's a trait I wrote up which includes a bit of discussion of what happens to you when you're summoned.

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I think it would be

I think it would be incredibly amusing to have a summoned planar look very annoyed after being summoned. Especially when they seem to be summoned continually by the same wizard.

"You again?! Look, I know I'm compelled to do this thing for you, but you're a real bastard."